Habeo, Haben


Do you think Latin "habeo" is related to German "haben"?

Harlan Messinger

There is no evidences at all that 'haben' and 'habeo' are false cognates. What do you think, is German Heft (grip; MHG haft fetter, bond) related to habeo/capio and haben? On the other side is Serbian hvat (grip) and verbs hvatati (grip, grasp, take, seize; Russ. hvatatь), hapiti (take, grab; Czech shárati grab, seize) and okovati (fetter). If I say that Slavic hapati (take, grab, seize) and German haben (have) are related to Slavic hvat- and Germanic haft- (Ger. Haft imprisonment) I do not know will you be able to understand it. Therefore, compare English captiv-ity (Lat. captivus prisoner) and German Haft (jail, detainment; cf. Serb. hapsiti arrest) and maybe you will be able to grasp that Latin capio and habeo are the words that are derived from the same basis.

After all the above Germanic and Slavic examples are presented, only a complete idiot could claim that Latin habeo and OE habban are unrelated words or false cognates.

I need you to explain why one man–yourself–with little or no understanding of the established theory that leads to the conclusion that they *aren't* related *despite* the superficial resemblance–should be surprised that "because I say so" isn't sufficient to change people's minds. That's what I need

What a funny guy you are Harlan! Established theory? Only a totaly uneducated or "upside-down" trained "etymologist" could say that these words have nothing more in common except the "vague" and "superficial resemblance". Didn't you know that "the flat Earth" was once a "well- established theory"?

It is generally taken as true that the initial h in Germanic languages corresponds to Latin c(k). One of the best examples to substantiate the above statement is relation between heart (Herz) and cor (cordis; Greek καρδιά). Nevertheless, try to imagine the following sound correspodences among words like English heard, crowd, Latin grex gregis (heard), Serbian krdo (heard) and družina (society, group of people/animals, pack). Following this example we might say that English initials k, h (crowd, herd) corresponded to Latin g (grex gregis; Greek αγείρω gather together).

Now, let us take a more difficult example; English hamlet/home and Latin habito (inhabit, dwell). I know that it is almost impossible for you to understand the clear relations between Serbian naseobina (settlement) and Latin inhabito (inhabit; Eng. inhabitance); Slavic dom and English home; Serbian domaćin (host, lord) and latin dominus (master of a house, lord); Serbian selo (village) and English (hamlet) etc.; but I hope you are not so dull not to see that hamlet is related to habito.

In this case we have a direct h <=> h correspondence between Latin and English. If you start from my HSF "theory" and Gon-Bel-Gon basis (which general meaning is "round heap") you will be able to grasp that Serbian word imanje (from himanje) is the same word as English hamlet/ home and Latin habitus; all words derived from the verb "have" (Latin habeo, Eng. have, Serb. h/imati; I hope you are not so stuped not to see that Serbian "imati" originated from hibati; b => m sound change).

It is interesting to mention that the ancient man (according to the words he used to name the Earth: Sl. zemlja; Gr. γη, χώμα, γεωλοφος / hill/, Lat. humus; gleba, globus; tumulus = cumulus; tomb /!!/, Eng. clod) was aware that the Earth was round.

Hamlet, Lat. habito, Serb. imanje (possession, assets, goods, domain, estate) and selo (village) are the words that originated from the same Gon-Bel-Gon basis ("round heap"). All the sound changes present in these cases are well-known and easily explainable: hamlet <= Gon-Bel- Gon => habito; Serb. soba /room/, na-seobina /settlement/, na-selje (from na-seblje) => selo (village). The ultimate importance is on understanding of semantics and other logical issues that could (exactly!) inform us how (and from which "source"?) the language had been developed in the past.

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